Episode 29 – Princesses

Hey guys! We’re back with our last guest-hosted discussion before Robin runs off to college for a few weeks! This time, blogger Whitley Birks of Reading with a Vengeance was kind enough to join us for a discussion about princesses opulent, stabbity, and woeful in young adult!


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What do you guys think? How do you like your princesses? Got any recommendations for good princess books? Does ANYBODY know where we can find some good political machinating? Let us know in the comments!

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Theme music is Overnight, by Aya.

WARNING: NSFW! Mature audiences only! Contains salty language, subversive ideas, industry-challenging discussions, and nuts.


10 Comments

  • Azure

    May 13, 2015

    I think the reason why magical destiny blood is used to justify the protagonist taking the throne is that we need a squeaky reason as to why the protagonist is doing it. After all, the antagonist is a usurper and we can’t have another usurper as hero/heroine, so let’s make him/her the rightful heir, then everything will be hunky dory. It’s like in Black Jewels where the cast wants the main character to be the high queen and beat the two EVIL(!) witches that anyone could’ve stopped ’cause the main character has the magical destiny blood.

    Though I would like to read a story where the chosen heir turns out to be just as bad if not worse than the previous big bad, and now a non-special character needs to take down the old ‘hero’.

    If you’re looking for a political machinating novel, then maybe the Deryni series by Katherine Kurtz. I haven’t read it, but what I hear, there’s a lot of political matters that also tie into religion and magic. Long series too, so maybe it’s good?

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    • Cyna

      Cyna

      May 17, 2015

      Right? bc god forbid a protagonist have like, political ambitions or aspirations, >wanting< that kind of power makes you evil, of course. Though I would like to read a story where the chosen heir turns out to be just as bad if not worse than the previous big bad, and now a non-special character needs to take down the old ‘hero’.

      I would 100% read that story. Or alternately, the story of how the monarchy fell and the country successfully instituted some other form of government. Or the story of some political savvy (lady) who was on a quest for political power and actually turned out to be pretty decent at ruling. Basically anything that is not “secret royalty must save the kingdom despite not having a fucking clue about how to run one”.

      That is a long series, I was looking at the author’s GR bibliography, are ALL her series set in the same world?

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      • Azure

        May 18, 2015

        “You want to overthrow the evil sorcerer that’s conquered the kingdom and plans to plunge the world into war? And you want to make the kingdom better than it was before? Piss off! We only want chosen ones who never knew they were royalty, living on a pig farm for almost twenty years!” *points to a chosen one who doesn’t know what the pointy end of a knife does*

        The Deryni series takes place in the same world, spread throughout different centuries.

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    • Carly

      January 27, 2016

      I have to say, the whole bloodlines as a motive bit is totally fine with me. Yes, historically kings and queens of different bloodlines were put on thrones and eventually shoved off by others, but many times they were shoved off because the usurper had a royal bloodline as well. The War of the Roses and the Tudors rise to the throne is a great example. I agree that many series focus on just getting a character to sit on the throne and don’t go beyond that, but I find it’s a totally validated motive.

      I recommend The Pledge series. It follows the whole “get the best bloodline on the throne” thing but then we actually see the character BE a Queen.

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  • Ollie

    May 13, 2015

    SPOOOOOOOILERS, ROBIN!

    (I haven’t read Hunger Games. Remember: I was not reading them to be fresh eyes. 😛 )

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    • Cyna

      Cyna

      May 17, 2015

      Ha! I told you, Robin.

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  • Melina Pendulum

    May 14, 2015

    I abosolutely love this podcast. I really loved this topic and the Tamora Pierce shout out! Great guys.

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    • Cyna

      Cyna

      May 17, 2015

      Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it :3

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  • lisa

    May 15, 2015

    i really feel like you guys would enjoy The Thief and the ensuing series by megan whalen turner, the second and third books have some beautiful political maneuvers with the best queens i have ever read in my life.

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    • Cyna

      Cyna

      May 17, 2015

      I’m not a fantasy person, but if you say political maneuvers and amazing queens, I’d be willing to give it a shot.

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