Episode 8 – At the End of Our Trope: Alpha Bitches

image featuring the Mean Girls cast Take your typical setting involving teenagers — say, a High School — wait an establishing scene or two or three, and there she is. See that attractive blonde cheerleader looking down her nose often literally and sneering at the frumpy girl in glasses? That’s her.

Ollie, Robin, and I finally got together to talk about one of my favorite subjects, and most hated trope, the Alpha Bitch. In the process of trying to tackle this rather massive subject, we discuss our own experiences (or lack there of) with Alpha Bitches in high school, internalized misogyny, fandom, reader snobbery, and lots of things in between.


So those are our thoughts – what are yours? Was there an alpha bitch in your high school? Do you like this trope? Hate it? Think it should die in a fire? Do you know any books that get the Alpha Bitch right?

Let us know in the comments!

Posts referenced in this podcast:

Books we recommend that subvert the trope or portray good female friendships:

Theme music is Overnight, by Aya.

WARNING: NSFW! Mature audiences only! Contains salty language, subversive ideas, industry-challenging discussions, and nuts.


  • Maverynthia

    June 11, 2013

    What was that about the list of “harem girls”. It was briefly mentioned and i though it could be expanded on how women are compartmentalized into “types/labels” where in the “harem boys” they are all pretty much ‘alphas’ a bit and the women that are around are to compete against. Where as in the guy version, the guys are there to either “share” the girls with or the buddy that there to help you.

    • Cyna


      June 11, 2013

      Mmm, we kind of skimmed over it because it seemed like kind of an anime/game-specific trope, and that’s kind of out of our purview for the cast? I wasn’t sure how to tie it in to Alpha Bitches myself ^^; But you make a good point. I don’t have much experience with harem anime aside from Ouran, but in PNR, there is almost neeeeeeeever any sort of difference in the men in terms of “types”. I mean, ostensibly you have the “good guy” and the “bad boy”, but in practice the differences are negligable – their prime trait is almost always “asshole”.

      I guess it’s this bizarre assumption that women are only attracted to one kind of man, where as men need one girl from every part of the rainbow to indulge their specific fetishes.

  • Darius Coldheart

    June 14, 2013

    I believe that the “Alpha Bitch” is simply a gender flip of the normal male bully (one person + a gang tormenting a person or group of people) used to create bullies for a female protagonist to overcome, as in my belief, a teenage boy tormenting a teenage girl would be incredibly hard to write as anything but a dramatic and dark villain.

    (if you have said this, ignore me. I wrote it while halfway through the podcast.)


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